Thursday, January 12, 2012

SINCE WHEN DID BEING A HORROR FAN BECOME SUCH A PISSING CONTEST?


31 comment(s):

Alexandra said...

Lovely sentiment. Thank you for posting :)

Philip Castor said...

Excellent rant! Give 'em Hell! And if you were 10 years older, I'd marry you in a heartbeat. Yes it's very difficult to find women my age who love horror as much as I do. You rock! lol

Jolie said...

As always, you speak with intelligence and grace. I am also a lady horror fan and understand! I love the tingle of suspense from a good "get out of the house, he's upstairs!" movie and the slight "ick...ew" at a slice in half.
It EFFing P!sses me off that your personal take

(INTERUPTION OF MINOR RANT: um hello idiots, that is what a blog is for...is the internet new to you...oh wait....por...oh hell, loser you are not worth it)

on a film is tarnished by others.

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A Sane Break (Shaun) said...

Gotta agree with Alexandra - excellent sentiment, BJ-C! Keep it up!

P.S. You HAVE to teach me how to make these vidoes. Although I'm afraid that my own vocalized anger towards ignorance would cause my computer to implode...

Nate Yapp said...

Frankly, what's the point of being a horror fan if you don't get scared or shocked sometimes? To say, "Oh hi, your most shocking film ever? Whatever," doesn't impress me. What impresses me is being able to speak eloquently and thoughtfully about having an emotional experience like a really good scare or shock.

Girl on Gore said...

Thank you for sharing and I appreciate you standing up for yourself and all of us in the horror community. This should be a welcoming environment and it is really unfortunate some people are so far up their asses that they can't. Spoken honestly, which is the classiest way of all.

Rockabore said...

I don't get why anyone would post something negative about that review. I hadn't heard of the movie before you posted about it and I thought the review was good and how you described the way the director depicted things made me want to check out the film.

Also I'm a horror fan and I'm open in admitting that with certain movies that others might not flinch at I have to cover my eyes. Just ignore the assholes who think that in order to be a horror fan you have to be un-phased by everything. Isn't the point of horror movies that they scare you?

Erik (Drunketh) said...

A couple years ago some dude got all up in my monitor accusing me of not owning the films in my DVDAF collection. Like I had just added these extreme horror films I was collecting at the time to it so I would "look cool". It was pretty bogus. He tried to start a battle with me and was like "I know more about horror than you do." I just told him "Hey pal, I don't really give a fuck." Such is life on the net though. These people can be a bit obnoxious at times.

a famous historian said...

Absolutely spot on. As a horror fan, I'm annoyed to see how the fandom sometimes panders to patriarchal and macho fantasies, and thank you for standing up to that.

Thomas Duke said...

The internet is a cesspool of antisocial one-uppers; I don't think it's unique to horror fandom. People talk trash hidden behind their keyboards because it makes them feel better about themselves (for some reason). This includes proclaiming how "extreme" you are. Dude, if you're so "extreme", why don't you inject some Red Bull into your eyeballs and then ride your BMX off a speed ramp right into a brick wall? There's nothing extreme about sitting on a futon with your laptop and anonymously typing away about how cool you are.

Also, get off my lawn.

Phantom of Pulp said...

Extremely well argued.

I'm in agreement that being jaded or not jaded has no bearing on the "worth" of a horror fan.

In fact, "worth" is irrelevant. A horror fan is someone who will give horror films a chance rather than dismissing them because they've seen some good ones in the past.

A non-horror fan is someone who dismisses the entire genre.

Like any subculture, there are good and bad eggs in horror. I'm not sure if the horror community has ever been entirely welcoming to its brethren. As a filmmaker, I see it from the other side. For example, I had a collection of films released several years ago, and the collection was reviewed (and crucified) on Amazon way before any screeners even went out. Nobody had copies. It's a strange community with good people (like yourself) and angry, immature people.

The "pissing contest" aspect is spot on. I often get very frustrated when people assume that because I'm open to all kinds of horror (extreme and suggestive), I'll embrace anything that's intentionally vile and mean-spirited, even if it's poorly made, badly written, and dull.

'Rockabore' makes a good point. Horror films are meant to scare you.

Ed B said...

Nicely said BJ-C. And it really needed saying.

I guess horror fans are a true sub-genre of the human species. There will always be a certain percentage that are total a$$holes, and that derive a perverse pleasure in proving it. Thanks for holding up a mirror to show them how truly ugly they can be at times.

Shona said...

I'm not sure if I would be able to be half as calm or coherent as you in the same situation. Sexist comments make my blood boil, and the internet seems to be filled with them.

Al Bruno III said...

I am sorry to hear trolls have been giving you crap.

I am a horror fan but the stories that appeal to me are more of the PHANTASM, TRIANGLE, THE RESURRECTED style of horror. Most of the more realistic horrors don't appeal to me much.

That being said, I am enjoyed your review of MEGAN IS MISSING. I don't know if I will ever actually see the movie but I am very glad to have heard your take on it.

Now... when in the Hell are you going to review XANADU?

Meri Kate M. said...

You are doing a wonderful job and reading your blog has really helped me to love horror movies even more! I don't understand why anyone would hate on you. You really are amazing and you are the one horror blog I consistently read!

Splatter Punkette said...

I always wondered why everything has to come down to a pissing contest. I just want to smack those people upside the head and ask, "What? Just because I don't know everything there is to know about horror and still get afraid or grossed out means that I'm not as big of a horror fan as you? Or that I, somehow, have to stop liking it because I don't live up to some horror standard?"

I'm a female and I get strange looks a lot when I mention how much I love to sit and watch horror movies whether they are totally ridiculous or substantially horrifying. Some people can't fathom how a girl would like blood, guts, and content that should be, somehow, offensive to my "delicate sensibilities". Then once they KNOW about my love of horror they assume that's the only thing I live and breathe. lol

Sometimes you just can't win!

Anyway, live and let live...all you need is love....or...something...

Marvin the Macabre said...

BJ-C, you nailed it.

It's funny, on my latest post, I said something along the lines of, If you approach horror movies with a "Just try to scare me, motherfucker" attitude, it's not hard to be jaded. The real horror fan makes her/himself vulnerable, and puts themselves in the place of the victims to really feel the fear.

Also, that was a great review/discussion, and it is hard to believe you got shit about it. But hey, that just means your fanbase is growing (I can't even attract haters yet).

Anonymous said...

First off, great commentary as usual, BJ-C. Hitting the point right on the nose intelligently once again.

In regards to your point, those who act like that are pains in the asses of all horror fans, but its been my experience through many years on message boards? These types don't stick around long. They make their claims, puff up their chests, and when those who have a real love for horror call them out on it, or don't fawn all over them? They skitter away. They're trolls, plain and simple. The great thing is? We, the folks who don't get into such drama and just enjoy our passions, outnumber them, and will be around and kickin' so much longer.

Keep up the great work!

Chris

Fefe said...

You preach it girl! Seriously though...thanks for posting this video! I hate that things like this have to be addressed, though. Ya know? Anyway...keep up the awesome writings. ;)

The Diary of a Milkman said...

I like when you showed your bewbs.

Don't mind me. :^D

The Mike said...

I heart this message. And I came in to voice a similar sentiment to Nate's. To me, the whole point of being a horror fan is to experience things I pray I'll never have to experience and see how it effects me and what I can find in it. If someone's whole purpose in watching these movies is to debunk them, then I simply don't understand them.

If they think that mocking those who let movies happen to them makes you cool, I feel sorry for them.

LJRich said...

People have a problem these days with differentiating opinions. Not you, obviously, because I have no doubt you'd have posted said comments if they weren't totally offensive or if they'd been intelligently written.

Most people these days can not handle someone bagging on a movie they, themselves, liked, or liking a movie they thought was crap on bread. They can't handle people who like different parts of the genre, or who might actually like gore, or the borderline shock porn, people think that someone else is beneath them for .

It's lack of maturity and a sense of elitism that has permeated our genre, sadly. We're not the only genre this is happening in, but ours seems to have a glut of people who just can't deal with differences of opinion.

Tempest Nightingale LeTrope said...

I agree. I actually enjoy having a good scare. I never became a "horror blogger" as I did notice the pissing contest element of it and wished no part of that. I notice that element with being a writer as well. I guess I'm different but my thought is, can't we all just have a good time?

Alysian Fields said...

Thank you! My friend and I were discussing this very issue the other day. Personally, I feel sad that I don't get as scared as I used to by horror films. I get so sick of these idiots who think they're cool for being desensitised.

Renee said...

I know I'm a little late watching this post and tons of other people have commented, but I love that you made this video. I've noticed and have been hating this pissing contest, too. It's like, if you get scared by horror that is supposed to be SCARY, you are for some reason below people who are desensitized.

I'll admit it: I'm a 24 year old girl who gets scared, gasps, and jumps at even the cheapest, smallest scares. But horror is and probably always will be my favorite genre. Horror movies are something that I grew up watching with my mother, who is an avid horror fan. So I have a deep, respectful love and admiration of them. And my fiance, who is desensitized to gore and all things horror, is actually jealous of me because I still get so scared! He claims that he gets to live through me when we watch scary movies together.

But anyway, the point is that I love being scared. I love having to cover my eyes at the gross, gory scenes. I love being on the edge of my seat waiting for whatever is going to come out of the darkness. It's fun and it reminds me of being a child again, sitting next to my mom and having nightmares of IT (the ending, I know!). That doesn't make me any less of a horror fan than anyone else.

pws said...

In the old claymation series "The Wind in the Willows," Toad sings a song called "Nothing Frightens Me" to Mole, because Mole is scared of a "ghost" in his underground home. The song is about how Toad Hall is full of ghosts, skeletons, ghouls and the like, so Toad implies he is jaded about such things.

Of course, later on we find that Toad has managed to scare himself completely silly, despite his false bravado, reacting to every creaking shutter with icy fear.

Hmm... I've lost my train of thought here...

Kaijinu said...

... I can't think of anything bombastic to say so I'm gonna keep it simple: Nice one. 8)

kaidxx said...

Cool! Really cool!!

Dreadful Dreary said...

Hi long time viewer and first time poster.

I agree horror has nothing to do with how much blood and gore one can stand. Horror films from the silver age didn't need such things to scare their audience.

I know that there is no defined generalization on what is and what isn't horror, but in my opinion horror is all about exploring a darker side of humanity through supernatural symbols or with very surreal situations.

I adore what you have to say and I find that those who really get off on rape and the torture of human-beings really need their head examined.

-Horrorwood Doll from Dreadful Dreary

James R said...

Having watched Cannibal Holocaust again myself not that long ago, I think I'd hate to meet anyone who wasn't affected by it in some way...

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